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    Potential change to State & National Ranking rules

    We are considering changing the rules for State & National rankings and we want to know what you think.

    Many people get confused when looking at the State & National rankings so we would like to make the rules the same for both. Currently the second best race day handicap is used for state rankings. The best five race day handicaps are used to calculate the National average handicap for rankings (the best and worst of the five days are dropped and the 2nd, 3rd & 4th best race day handicaps are used to get the average).

    We would like to average the best three race day handicaps to determine State and National rankings. Do you think this would be helpful?

    In addition, we would like to use State and National rankings to qualify racers for the National Championships.

    Let us know what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NASTAR HQ View Post
    We would like to average the best three race day handicaps to determine State and National rankings. Do you think this would be helpful?

    In addition, we would like to use State and National rankings to qualify racers for the National Championships.

    Let us know what you think.
    On first blush:

    I like it!! Make the 3 best results (averaged), the benchmark for each racer.

    How do we address the one day racers? If I only race one day, do I qualify? Should I qualify?

    My view is that you have to play, to win and this could increase participation. And on the contrary, it could reduce the number of qualifiers? I dunno? But, this will definitely create incentive and appreciation for our loyal NASTAR racers who have been participating and perhaps never been able to qualify due to the one-day racer issues.

    It would truly improve the measure of the average racer. Multiple days, different course conditions, different pacesetting performances and perhaps, different resorts all combined to create an average racer record.

    My initial thoughts............
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    I took the survey that was sent and was disappointed that I only had the choice of 1-5 days of racing for the national ranking. I think it should be based on how many race days a racer has.

    If you only have 10 race days or less, then 2 for state ranking and 5 for national makes sense. If you have 15-20+ race days then I think a national ranking should average more than just your best three days - I think it should average your best 7-10 days because it is just too easy to have 3 days where you race above your normal range if you have more than 15 race days in a year. Then you are in the wrong division for nationals.

    As far as Nationals qualifications go....I think the resort ranking should qualify people for nationals as usual. But the division you race in should be based on either the state or national ranking you have and that should be based on the number of race days.

    I hope that makes sense. Liked the questions about "regional championships" and hope there is something in the midwest this year.

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    Last edited by ChiTownChick; 08-17-2012 at 08:53 PM.

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    I agree with ChiTownChick in that I also think the resort ranking should continue to qualify people for Nationals.

    I know last season's snowfall was an anomaly, but I had to scramble to get three days of results in before Nationals. Otherwise I'm fine with the best three race day handicaps to determine State and National rankings.

    Thanks for listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NASTAR HQ View Post

    We would like to average the best three race day handicaps to determine State and National rankings. Do you think this would be helpful?
    Just to clarify - for state and national rankings, is the proposal for the average of the best three or the average of the best of #2-4?

    As others have said, if you no longer use a resort ranking for qualifying, you'll see a drop off in the numbers qualifying (and attending) the Nationals.

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    I've enjoyed watching my results go from Resort to State to National. Making State and National the same wouldn't hurt, but I would miss the difference in the two rankings. Last year an operation kept me off skis from early December until March, except for just before the deadline for Nationals qualifying when I snuck out and made two runs to see if I could continue my record of qualifying for Nationals. I made it! For that reason alone keeping the Resort ranking for Nationals qualifying makes sense to me. Is that selfish?

    BTW, I got out for another two runs before the season ended but it wan't much of a ski season for me.

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    keep everything the same except make the national ranking your best 3.

    also, make the state rankings based on what state you raced in, not where you are from.

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    The more I thought about this the more I think the Resort Ranking really should be the basis for Nationals qualfications. For example, I am usually 1 of 1 in my state ranking. But because I qualify out of my resort I am part of that Resort Team at Nationals rather than just a solo racer representing Illinois. I like being part of a Resort Team at Nationals even though I usually do not do well enough for my points to count towards the Team average.

    And I disagree with Ell1369, I think your state ranking should be the state that you are from, not where you race. I know that makes states like Colorado, Utah, Michigan more competitive but you should have a state ranking based on your home state.

    Also, I have been to 7 of the 9 last National Championships and I think one of the biggest reasons people don't go back (at least for me and others I know) is feeling they qualify in a division higher than where they should be. That is why I did not go last year, I could not be competitive in the division I qualified in.

    So qualifying for Nationals is not that big of a deal - if you really want to you can find a place to qualify. What division you qualify in is the bigger problem. I do believe some of the changes Nastar made to the handicap chart will help in this regard.

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    Last edited by ChiTownChick; 08-18-2012 at 02:01 PM.

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    ChiTownChick, I'm from stl and hidden valley sets alot more difficult courses then out west. I've seen tourists go out west and appear to blow me out of the water beacause they race on easier courses. My handicap at winterpark on a board I have never ridden is 20 points lower then when I race on my usual board here in stl

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    Quote Originally Posted by NASTAR HQ View Post
    In addition, we would like to use State and National rankings to qualify racers for the National Championships.
    I would still like to see the best race day HC dropped. I've seen instances of timing errors at certain resorts where a racer may receive a HC of lets say 1.21 when they may be on average a 15 HC'r.

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