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    Is this right?

    This seems strange. Can a pacesetter lower his own handicap by competing against himself? Notice Steve Jones dropped his handicap 36%, from 2.51 from 3.95, when he was the pacesetter, by running the course again later, after already establishing the par time, and scoring his own faster time result. So pacesetters can do this? Just curious.


    Keystone Resort


    Date:Feb 29th, 2012
    Course:keystone night league
    Weather:not provided
    Resort Results:Keystone Resort, Colorado


    Series/Team Scoring:Series: Keystone night league
    Scoring method: Use Place Points 50, 45, 40...
    Teams of 4

    Pacesetters:

    Course
    Pacesetter
    Handicap
    Time
    Par Time




    Yellow
    Jones Steven (suit)
    3.95
    19.38
    18.64


    Green
    Jones Steven (suit)
    3.95
    19.51
    18.76


    Results for Feb 29th, 2012 - keystone night league


    (sorted by best handicap)

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    [By Age & Gender Category] [By Name] [All Results]
    Steven Jones Dillon, CO Male 40-44 Green 19.23 2.51 Platinum
    Ron Emery Breckenridge, CO Male 50-54 Green 19.39 3.36 Platinum
    Andrew Duncanson Wausau, WI Male 21-29 Green 19.56 4.26 Platinum
    Dana Query Dillon, CO Male 40-44 Green 19.91 6.13 Platinum
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    Sorry, the formating got screwed up in the posting process. Hopefully you can figure it out.
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    Happens all the time in the leauge I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastMan View Post
    This seems strange. Can a pacesetter lower his own handicap by competing against himself? Notice Steve Jones dropped his handicap 36%, from 2.51 from 3.95, when he was the pacesetter, by running the course again later, after already establishing the par time, and scoring his own faster time result. So pacesetters can do this? Just curious.

    Hey Coach: You are correct, this is not right. Jonesy cannot set pace, then race against his own pace and subsequently improve his race record as a result.

    I'll shoot a note to Bill and he can make a record correction to Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBear View Post

    Hey Coach: You are correct, this is not right. Jonesy cannot set pace, then race against his own pace and subsequently improve his race record as a result.

    I'll shoot a note to Bill and he can make a record correction to Steve.

    Cheers,

    The Bear

    Thought it seemed strange, Bear. Thanks for having a look.

    I'm sure it was an honest mistake of some sort. There were several of those "night race" events held through the season, Jones was the pacesetter at each one, and in all the other races he used his pacesetting time as his competition time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckp7600 View Post
    Happens all the time in the leauge I'm in.
    Chuck, if it is, then apparently according to Bear it shouldn't be.
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    Sometimes I'll set the pace, then run again, either just for fun or to check the conditions. The timer is supposed to remove it before final results, but sometimes overlooks it.

    It's a double edged sword, though! What if Jonesy just simply changed the paceset time to his fastest? People would b!tch then, right? Trust me, Steve doesn't care what his handicap reads on the nastar website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jclose8 View Post
    It's a double edged sword, though! What if Jonesy just simply changed the paceset time to his fastest? People would b!tch then, right? Trust me, Steve doesn't care what his handicap reads on the nastar website.
    But according to the rules he is not supposed to do that is he? Unless he gets a handicap 2 lower than his handicap from Pacesetter trials or applies to NASTAR HQ to be rehandicapped.

    Proactive Pacesetting

    Pacesetters must set the Par Time by racing the course under the same conditions and at the same pace as they did when they earned their pacesetting handicap. Handicaps should not be announced until the Par Time is set accurately. If the Pacesetter makes a mistake while racing to set the Par Time, he/she must race again to accurately set the Par Time.

    Public Nature Valley NASTAR courses that are open for long periods of time can experience diverse course conditions. When course conditions are variable, pacesetters should continually test the Par Time. If a pacesetter can earn a handicap that is two points lower than their pacesetting handicap, the course is getting faster and a new Par Time should be set. In addition, if the course gets slower and the pacesetter cannot earn a handicap that is within two points of their pacesetting handicap, a new Par Time should be set.

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    and for rehandicapping

    All re-handicapping requests MUST be approved by NASTAR.

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    Is it right for a resort to not even have pacesetters who have any official pacesetter handicap?

    If not, these resorts should be required to send pacesetters to trials, or they should be asked to not host NASTAR.

    One person from my hill re-paced, but then a forum member complained to HQ and had the handicap reverted back to the pacesetter handicap.

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