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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman99 View Post
    Gotta admit, I too, am very intrigued by the pacesetters result vs Mr Jones and hope to get a chance to congratulate him. It gets pretty crisp up there at night and the course obviously was running like greased lightning.
    When you look at the times and compare each run to each course you will see that Jones runs each course with .04 seconds of each other and Cadwell runs each course with a .3 second difference. Jones is slightly quicker in the Yellow course than his run on the Green and Cadwell is quicker in the green course over the yellow run. Interesting----Who ever did the course set did a very good job as they are both pretty close. Keystone is known for it's flat straight courses and with a length of 18 seconds there will not be a whole lot of separation in times. The question "may" be did Cadwell miss a gate on each run, I doubt it----he just had a good night and got close to Jones. As The Bear has eluded to---when the hill gets ratcheted up and the gates get farther of line then we see the Jones's pull ahead. Let's put it this way---I do not know Cadwell but I do know Jones and if I was a bettin' man I would put my money on Jones. This is a case of one of those anomalies that is just a quinkydink!!!!

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    Another gem from Keystone:

    http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.js...icap&year=2012

    The pacesetter of 16 racing against himself and hitting 8. Another pacesetter of 21 makers 12 in the same race.

    Please NASTAR, tell us which handicaps for these pacesetters are right.

    Here is a disclaimer: these people on the NASTAR course in Keystone are doing a fantastic job organizing races and maintaining the course. But Keystone is a perfect example of a broken handicap system.

    I wonder if there is a way to make suggestions to NASTAR how to fix it. They obviously have the technology and manpower, it would be just a matter of implementation.
    Last edited by Adi; 01-29-2012 at 11:10 PM.

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    Thanks for the note Adi. I have sent an alert to NASTAR HQ of this race result.

    Can you scrub the daily results of all 120, currently active NASTAR participating resorts? :)

    Just kidding dude. Have a great day.
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    Obviously I am a Keystone racer, although I have raced several other resorts too, over several years. Keystone is my happy place.

    I am sure all of them have similar problems, but I also know that NASTAR could solve them easily if they want. I don't have the time or motive to audit every single resort, although I could name a few in the Summit County neighborhood that are fishy. I also believe that you can find similar strange ranking stories all over the NASTAR place.

    I am a huge fan of NASTAR. I purchased several NASTAR sweaters. My rear bumper is full of NASTAR home made stickers. I use every opportunity I have to race NASTAR and I love every minute of it.

    What is even wierder, I am from Texas :)

    I think that NASTAR should make this leap to self-ranking as they have the technology, manpower and huge racer base base to do it.
    Last edited by Adi; 01-30-2012 at 01:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adi View Post
    I am from Texas :)
    It is amazing how many NASTAR racers live in Texas! I know several Forum Members from the Texas SKi Council who make several race trips to Colorado.

    I agree that something is a bit odd here. I'll give HQ a day or two to read my PM and we'll see what happens.

    You should get back up here soon, the snow is FANTASTIC!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adi View Post
    Another gem from Keystone:

    http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.js...icap&year=2012

    The pacesetter of 16 racing against himself and hitting 8. Another pacesetter of 21 makers 12 in the same race.

    Please NASTAR, tell us which handicaps for these pacesetters are right.

    Here is a disclaimer: these people on the NASTAR course in Keystone are doing a fantastic job organizing races and maintaining the course. But Keystone is a perfect example of a broken handicap system.

    I wonder if there is a way to make suggestions to NASTAR how to fix it. They obviously have the technology and manpower, it would be just a matter of implementation.
    Adi,
    There is definitely something wrong here, I am sure Bill M will fix it.

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    I know Adi and he could be the pacesetter there. Fast guy.
    Flat hill 15hdcp+ pacesetters should be re-paced on their home hill by a certified pacesetter regardless of their results at trials. This gives the customer a more realistic hdcp versus the pacesetter and national pace hdcp on that flat hill. Who cares that a flat hill shaves the gap between the pro and the tourist (it is what it is). It should still come down to how well you do on that hill versus the pro. One is more likely to accept the fact of getting crushed on a more challenging slope.
    I would think only a few of the fastest recreational racers would have any chance of even staying in the same zip code of a Jonesy on a flat hill anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman99 View Post
    Flat hill 15hdcp+ pacesetters should be re-paced on their home hill by a certified pacesetter regardless of their results at trials. This gives the customer a more realistic hdcp versus the pacesetter and national pace hdcp on that flat hill. Who cares that a flat hill shaves the gap between the pro and the tourist (it is what it is). It should still come down to how well you do on that hill versus the pro.
    Some excellent points, wolfman. This is a recreational racing organization, afterall, and the more people who feel they are at least somewhat competitive the more people have fun. It's hard to imagine the top performers are so insecure they can only enjoy races where they clobber the less experienced guys by huge margins. Separation isn't very important in this format. OG

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    So this is happening every Friday. The pacesetter is getting fours and sixes every Friday night, but the rest of the daily NASTAR racers are bound by his 16 official pacesetters handicap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adi View Post
    So this is happening every Friday. The pacesetter is getting fours and sixes every Friday night, but the rest of the daily NASTAR racers are bound by his 16 official pacesetters handicap.
    May be time for a re-paceset?
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