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    OK Tom, now I am getting really jealous! I know you are both having a blast. We're all here living vicariously through your trip!

    My best to you both and all of the USST members!

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    Congratulations to your son Robby on being the 2011 NASTAR National Champion Male. Thank you for sharing your experience.


    To the degree that you are comfortable with, we would enjoy hearing more about racing background of both your son and yourself (a profile of each based on the questions below):

    * Masters racing experience - USSA division/town league/club team, favorite races, best results by discipline, regional/national level results/awards, video analysis software used/other helpful training aids, favorite NASTAR venues. How did each training aid specifically help you to improve as a racer (any specific habit(s)/movement(s) that it helped you to correct)?

    * College racing experience - NCAA/USCSA team and conference, lowest points levels in each discipline, best results by discipline, regional/national level results/awards, video analysis software used/other helpful training aids. How did each training aid specifically help you to improve as a racer (any specific habit(s)/movement(s) that it helped you to correct)?

    * Junior racing experience - academy/club/high school team, lowest points levels in each discipline, best results by discipline, regional/national level results/awards, video analysis software used/other helpful training aids. How did each training aid specifically help you to improve as a racer (any specific habit(s)/movement(s) that it helped you to correct)?

    * During your junior, college and/or masters racing experience, did you ever race against anyone that became or was a national ski team member? If so, who and if you recall what was the highest level event that you competed against each person? What was the highest racing level that you have competed on for each discipline - FIS, Europa, NorAm, Junior Worlds, Whistler Cup, Trofeo Topolino, Junior Olympics, state championships, etc.?



    Also, we would enjoy seeing videos of you and ski team members doing gate training and freeskiing drills. If possible, please upload the videos on Youtube and post links to them in this NASTAR thread. Please list a detailed breakdown of your schedule for each day which includes the names of both gate training and freeskiing drills the team used.

    Additionally, if possible, upload video analysis to Youtube of you and other ski team members with overlay (Dartfish Simulcam/V1 Sports), side by side, sequential (Dartfish Stromotion/V1 Sports), and/or slow motion footage from gate training and freeskiing drills in the various disciplines SL, GS, SG, DH.


    Were any of the courses or gate drills set so that the ski team members were forced to use a stivot? If so, which course type or gate drill, how many turns required a stivot, and how many total gates were set for the particular course or gate drill?


    Finally, what advice would you give in the following topics? If you happen to remember the source of the advice, feel free to include that as well.

    If the advice varies by type of course (GS vs. SL) please discuss both.

    Also if the advice varies by level, please use the following levels: First Time Racer, Bronze Racer, Silver Racer, Gold Racer, Platinum Racer.

    1. Course Inspection (fall-aways, knolls, terrain changes, trail turns, hairpins, flushes, delays/under gates, snow conditions, lighting conditions, finishing gate sequence)

    2. Race Day Routine / Rituals / Warm Up (drills, exercises)

    3. Start Technique (mental thoughts and imagery, type of start - kick start vs. pole start, # skating steps, impact of start ramp angle / start ramp length / direction of first gate relative to starting wand)

    4. Actual Race (tactics)

    5. Finish Technique (tuck, reach with one hand forward to break timing beam, line from last gate through finish)

    6. Free Skiing Drills (thousand steps, one ski, Schlopy/Heisman, javelin, unbuckled boots, etc.)

    7. Gate Drills (Wagner, Rosee, etc.)
    Last edited by SkierScott; 09-25-2011 at 07:37 PM.

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    The valley view is from our room window. Sad, we only have one lake to look at...

    A typical day for the US Ski Team follows. They get up around 6:00 a.m., breakfast at 6:45 and then on the lifts at 7:45 to get to the downhill course. The US Ski Team trains downhill till around 11:00, and then they head to the other side of the mountain to train GS. The snow gets soft in the afternoon so they quit training around 12:30, break for lunch and then do dry land training in the afternoon. We free ski in the afternoon and then maybe hit the hot tub before dinner.

    Tomorrow, Monday, the team will split their training with some team members running a full downhill course and the remaining racers will run a full GS course on the other side of the mountain. Robby plans to drop into a run or two in the GS course. I plan to slip the course, take pictures and video.

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    Robby started skiing when he was one year old and started to race junior racing when he was 4 years old. Robby raced central division USSA and went to junior olympics every year. When Robby went to the University of Colorado he decided that an education was more important than skiing and quit for a year to free ski. A year later Robby decided to join the CU development team and became the team captain. Robby did not race for about three years after college and then started racing masters about two years ago. Robby has had the fastest raw time in the NASTAR race of champions all five years that he has competed.

    I started skiing when I was 20 years old and started racing about 30 years ago. I got serious about racing about 20 years ago when I went to a Mahre training center. This training was my first concentrated effort to improve my race technique and it helped immensely. I race NASTAR, town challenge races, and some masters races. I have not raced masters in a couple of years although I plan to race some masters races in the future. I have had five knee surgeries in the past eight years and one thumb joint replacement surgery. Last ski season I had 748 NASTAR races, the most races of all the NASTAR racers - and no knee surgeries!

    My personal ski tips:

    For beginner racers: don't skate at the start or finish unless you like doing face plants. Look ahead two or three gates and start your turn well above the gate.
    For intermediate racers: stay as low as you can and still carve a clean turn. Keep your hands where you can see them and get off your downhill ski quicker to start your next turn. Smoother is faster.
    For advanced racers: Core training all year, strength training too! Timing is everything after you are doing everything right - pressure your skis earlier when they are in the fall line above the gate.

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    Question FIS 2012/13 equipment changes

    Regarding the upcoming FIS 2012/13 equipment changes for turning radius (Mens GS 27m to 35m)/length/standing height, how specifically do the USST athletes, coaches/trainers, and/or team medical professionals (please specify which group(s) responded to these questions) expect these changes to impact the following:

    a) average course speed

    b) course setting (Will the vertical distance between gates be increased and/or offset be decreased to accommodate the new skis or will the current vertical distance and/or offset be maintained to hold down speeds? What actually happened with regards to the vertical distance between gates and/or offset with the last change from 21m to 27m turning radius skis?)

    c) number of injuries? severity of injuries? overall safety level?

    d) technique (more stivots, less carving, stepping then sliding the entire top of the turn, straight and late, the dominance of brute strength, etc.)

    Have any of the coaches, athletes and/or team medical professionals seen the actual detailed research behind these changes? If not when do they expect to get access to the detailed research methodologies and raw data?

    Supposedly the athletes were invited to participate in the onsnow testing of the protoypes of the new skis that led to these changes. How were they notified, by whom/what organization, and approximately what date was the invitation received (i.e. how many weeks advance notice was given before the testing started)?

    FIS rushed approval with 2 days notice to FIS Council for the vote in July 2011 on the 2012-13 equipment changes (biggest change was leap in GS turning radius 40m men/35m women) proposed by the FIS Alpine Committee and its Alpine Technical Equipment Working Group (Toni Giger, chair from Austria) based on data from the FIS Injury Surveillance System and its equipment project. GS turn radius jumping from 27m to 40m and GS ski length (185 to 195cm) and women's world cup GS (23 to 35m / 180 to 188cm). Men's SG (33 to 45m / 205 to 210cm) and women's SG (33 to 40m / 200 to 205cm). Men's DH (45 to 50m / 215 to 218cm) and women's DH (45 to 50m / 210 to 215cm). No change for SL.
    http://www.skionline.ch/media/archiv...ement_2012.pdf
    http://www.fisalpine.com/news/new-sp...rmed,1408.html

    After protests from the manufacturers and athletes, FIS changed its mind in August 2011 and reduced the GS turning radius to 35m for men and 30m for women. Downhill and SG specifications were not reduced and there will be further review of implementation timeline for the new maximum 45mm standing height rule for DH & SG (decreased from 50mm)
    http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/news/press...recisions.html


    Video of 40 meter GS ski prototypes being skied in GS training course by Warner Nickerson USA www.youtube.com/watch?v=76yYnVgbx98
    Last edited by SkierScott; 09-26-2011 at 01:46 AM.

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    I have yet to meet a coach, athlete, technician, or ski retailer/manufacturer that thinks this is a good idea. The consensus seems to be this change would set ski racing back about 25 to 35 years and not be any safer. See Ted Ligety's comments at http://www.nevasport.com/noticias/ar...contra-la-FIS/ You will have to translate this version as most searches down here to come in Spanish.


    Here's a few photos from today:









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    The Octagon is a octagon shaped building next to the Portillo Hotel. This building is designed for groups and is where the US Ski Team stays.

    Today, Monday, is our third day here but it is our second full day. Today we helped out on the downhill course. The upper lift was not working so the team could only run the lower part of the course. We went over to the GS course and did some slipping. That was a drag so we ran some gates in an easier part of the course. Many team racers were having difficulty with the course as the top part was quite steep and hard snow. Ted Ligety made the course look easy. They left the lower portion of the GS course up so I made several runs after lunch when the team was done with the course. I would have made more runs except the snow was getting soft. When the sun hits the snow it softens quickly as this is late spring for Chile. It felt really good to get back into the gates.

    The team had a dry land workout in the afternoon and then they played volleyball for a couple hours. The team is always active and they have very little down time. I am amazed how athletic they are in everything they do. Hopefully we will have some pictures posted and Robby has some video and pictures that he plans to post on his gym web site at www.alpinecrossfit.com


    Pictures of the day:












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    Here's one more photo from Tom on his Chile trip:


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    Portillo Day 4 - Tuesday

    The US Ski Team trains for 3 days and then takes the fourth day off from on-hill training. This gives them a chance to rest, recover, work on their gear and do more dry land training.

    The GS course was set up so I took advantage of it all morning. We free skied in the afternoon and took some pictures and videos.

    Each training day is run like a WorldCup race. Full timing with intervals, dyed course markings, course reports and video. Tomorrow will be a full day of downhill racing. It will be run just like a WorldCup race with start order, interval starts, etc. I will try to get some action shots.






    Robby - soaking up the sun!



    The Portillo Beach Bums!



    Tom and Robby Zehner making memories................

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    Your trip sounds amazing, Mr. Zehner!

    I'm sure you have more interesting things to do on this trip than answer my questions. But if you have a free minute, or possibly after you return home, I'd be curious to know:

    Are both the men's and women's teams down there? Do they train together or separately? Are other countries' teams down there, and if so, do the athletes from different countries train together?

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