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    Good call!! Beaver Creek is one resort where you will not see many single digit handicaps, except during their town series races.

    This weekend Beaver Creek had Caroline "Liner" Lalive (former USST racer) setting pace (both days). On Sunday, one racer posted a 3.99. His name is Austin Baker and at 14 yrs old, this kid is screaming fast. I will bet we'll see him racing on the US Team's someday; (Jr., NorAm and maybe FIS), he is that fast! Otherwise, the only real fast folks this weekend were the resort pacesetters.

    The Beaver Creek course is quite similar to some of the NASTAR Nationals courses. It's long (ave 30-35 seconds), not as technical as Winter Park's Lower Hughes or Steamboat's See Me or See Ya, but more diffcult than most.

    Beaver Creek also has top-notch, pacesetters who will "Bring It" every day, or almost everyday. Unlike many of our participating resorts who have inconsistent pacesetting or folks who have never been to a pacesetting trial, so their Handicap is simply innacurate vs. the National Pacesetter standard.

    Definitely #1 in my book!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBear View Post
    Good call!! Beaver Creek is one resort where you will not see many single digit handicaps, except during their town series races.

    This weekend Beaver Creek had Caroline "Liner" Lalive (former USST racer) setting pace (both days). On Sunday, one racer posted a 3.99. His name is Austin Baker and at 14 yrs old, this kid is screaming fast. I will bet we'll see him racing on the US Team's someday; (Jr., NorAm and maybe FIS), he is that fast! Otherwise, the only real fast folks this weekend were the resort pacesetters.

    The Beaver Creek course is quite similar to some of the NASTAR Nationals courses. It's long (ave 30-35 seconds), not as technical as Winter Park's Lower Hughes or Steamboat's See Me or See Ya, but more diffcult than most.

    Beaver Creek also has top-notch, pacesetters who will "Bring It" every day, or almost everyday. Unlike many of our participating resorts who have inconsistent pacesetting or folks who simply have never been to a pacesetting trial, so their Handicap is simply innacurate vs. the National Pacesetter standard.

    Definitely #1 in my book!
    Can't argue with that assessment!

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    It may not be the absolute toughest, but I have to say my local hill at Bear Creek should definitely be in the in the top 10. It has it all...flats, rollers, a nice headwall in the middle of the course, variable East Coast conditions, and is fairly long at 29-30 seconds (the word is, it's going to be even longer next year). While it is only on a blue trail and not particularly steep, it is most definitely difficult to be fast on. The terrain varies greatly from start to finish and without a good start, clean carving through the headwall, and the ability to carry your speed through the flats at the bottom, you WON'T have a fast time. For those that have never raced on it, I highly suggest you make the trip at least once next year. If you come from one of those resorts with a fairly easy NASTAR hill, I think you will find it rather humbling!
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    Got to give some props to Pats Peak in Henniker Nh. The resort was #1 for most of the Season. #2 now for overall resort rankings. Two coarses Twister and Fis Race trail. Seems like its always really cold too. :) At least 3 nights of the beer league were sub zero at race time.
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    I skied the course at Keystone yesterday. I would have done better in cross country skis with such a flat course. I had to skate 3-4 gates to get any speed going. They had a couple inches of fresh snow with only the pace setter's tracks when we arrived. It makes Steamboat's Lower Bashor look steep. Wax would have made a huge difference I guess.
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    Just raced at Deer Valley last weekend as a tune-up for Nationals, and it re-affirms my contention as the toughest NASTAR course in Utah, and a good course to warm up for Nationals on.

    Although a little short (17-24 second times) but much steeper than a typical NASTAR course, with a couple of rollers to boot, it gets you going fast, and forces you to look ahead and do a couple of speed checks to even make it through the course clean.

    I'll have a picture show to post by tommorow.

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    Let me think abut this, I have only run 19 courses at 16 locations

    Michigan: Crystal current and the one they had 20 years ago, Boyne Mountain, Nubs Nob (Favorite for unknown reasons), Shanty Creek, Boyne Mountian, Boyne Highlands 22 years ago, Alpine valley current and the course they had 22 years ago (old course was great, I think Miller was the NASTAR sponsor then), Mt Brighton, Mt Holly and Sugar Loaf (Now closed)
    Ohio OVSC (rotates with the resort) and Mad River
    Indiana; Perfect North (favorite- but better when they run all of runway during special) and Paoli (Hero hill)
    Out west: Taos Old course, Winter Park and Park City

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    According to Jackson hole mountain resort they have the steepest and longest course in the nation which wouldn't surprise me it even has a traverse halfway down where if the gates are set right you might have to turn in mid air and if your going within 5 seconds of the pacesetter you get some air.Here is a video of it being raced after some heavy snow fall making it slower and no air off the traverse.Straight set up.
    This was last season this year they set up the old tram car at the race start and made the race start hill 5 feet taller and way steeper resulting in extremely faster times.
    Last edited by DenverGSRacer; 04-03-2011 at 04:33 AM.

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    Looked like a fun course. Big separation between gates. Not much of an offset unless the video hides it. Reminds me of a set at Steamboat late last season.

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    Looked like a fun course. Big separation between gates. Not much of an offset unless the video hides it. Reminds me of a set at Steamboat late last season.
    This season I raced the nastar course about 5 times to find that every race day was different. They'll have straight courses one day(like in this video), major cutbacks the whole way the next, then early cutbacks the next(first 4 gates), then midway cutbacks(halfway down, then at the end when you have the most speed cutbacks, and sometimes they woulkd set it straight up top so at the traverse you would have to turn in mid air to a cut back.

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