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    Toughest nastar course?

    What do you think is the toughest nastar course? I guess it's a combination of terrain, course setting, and the pacesetter's effort.

    My local hill, Granite Peak, has 40-45 second courses for an 8 hc pacesetter. Approx 450' vertical on the course.

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    I've skied on approximately 30 NASTAR courses throughout the East, West and Midwest in the last 10 years, and not counting Nationals, here are my picks - keep in mind that these are my choices as the toughest courses, not necessarily the best or my favorites (although many are also my favorites):

    Colorado - Beaver Creek and Vail (tie)
    Utah - Deer Valley
    Michigan (upper peninsula) - Marquette Mountain
    Michigan (lower peninsula) - Boyne Mountain/Mt Brighton (tie)
    Ohio - Perfect North
    Indiana - Paoli Peaks - (gets my vote as top NASTAR course in the entire midwest (and I'm not joking here) - they have a course comparable to Vail - in length, pitch, and directional change - no kidding)
    Vermont - Okemo
    West Virginia - Timberline

    Looking forward to skiing Seven Springs and WISP to see how they compare.

    JMHO - I'm sure there will be disagreements!
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    This is an interesting thread. I have raced Nastar in approximately 20 resorts mostly in the West (New Mexico, Colorado, Utah). Here are my choices as the toughest, with some commentary:

    1. Beaver Creek - Long course & technical, added more gates this year (22 in Jan.)
    2. Vail - good length & variable terrain (can't beat the dedicated poma and warming hut! )
    3. Copper - steep pitch & road cutting through middle (only course that can get air!)
    4. Taos - short but technical, ( moved to a steeper run last year)
    5. Telluride - good mixture, similar to vail

    Honorable mention: Deer Valley. Haven't been there in a long time, but remember it being quite challenging.

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    Racer X I hadn't realized you had visited Okemo. Thanks for the plug.

    A while back I started a thread asking how many courses members had raced. Just did a short search and found it. We came up with 94 venues, some now extinct.

    My list only runs to 17 but I've enjoyed them all.



    The run at Taos was way too easy but they have since moved it to a more appropriate trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patmoore View Post

    Racer X I hadn't realized you had visited Okemo. Thanks for the plug.
    Spring break, 2003. We made a visit to Dartmouth, as daughter #1 was considering going to school there (ended up at "the Harvard of the West" instead - hey.... their saying, not mine - ugh!........ At least my wallet was happy!)

    Dad decided to turn it into a ski vacation too. Okemo, Killington, and the Dartmouth Skiway. We hit the snowstorm from heck on the way out, took us over 21 hours to drive there (should have be a 12 hour drive - max) The kids never stopped pointing out to me that we could have been in Florida in less time (understand now why some animals eat their young!)

    Daughter #2 made her first ever NASTAR runs at Okemo; three years later she was on the podium at Steamboat.

    I have fond memories of Okemo. Nice mountain and NASTAR course. From the pics you've posted, looks like it's still in the same place.
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    Here's my list:

    1. Mt Brighton
    2. Mt Holly
    3. AlpineValley
    4. Pine Knob
    5. Bittersweet
    6. Boyne Mountain
    7. Boyne Highlands
    8. Nubs Nob
    9. Schuss Mountain
    10. The Homestead
    11. Marquette Mountain
    12. Perfect North
    13. Mad River
    14. Paoli Peaks
    15. Timberline
    16. Okemo
    17. Park City
    18. Deer Valley
    19. Snowbasin
    20. Keystone
    21. Breckenridge
    22. Copper Mountain
    23. Vail
    24. Beaver Creek
    25. Aspen Mountain
    26. Aspen Highlands
    27. Snowmass
    28. Steamboat
    29. Crystal Mountain
    30. Ohio Valley Ski Council
    31. Squaw Valley

    Hope to add WISP and Winter Park to the list before the season is over.
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    Matt:

    Is this your stack ranking, Top to Bottom? Or just a listing.........? I'm guessing just a list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer X View Post
    Ohio - Perfect North
    Perfect North is actually in Indiana, a few miles from the Ohio line. But, thanks for the Paoli recommendation! I've skied there, but before I had ever tried NASTAR. I'll have to give them a visit in the next few weeks.

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    #1 Beaver Creek. Though I have no first hand experience, I'm basing my #1 pick on the high handicaps I see from racers I know are fast everywhere else. Including Vail. BC must be a mutha of a course.

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    Well, I've raced on local flats to Steamboat. The most difficult was Voodoo at Steamboat Nationals, but I think you are talking about regular Natar, so that one is out. Up until last year or so, Wisp (MD) was running on Squirrel Cage. THAT by far was the most difficult, other than Nationals. It was just what you would expect at Nationals. So, it gets my vote. Second most difficult was Windham (NY). Not the steepest, but roll after roll after roll. And there was a gate on the ridge of each, so the terrain fell as you rounded the gate. Of course, I had ski issues, so that probably added to my impression of it. Rountop (PA) has what I would consider the perfect Nastar course. Medium grade, undulations, and not perfectly straight. Everything you would want in a course to challenge you without being overbearing. My 70 year old mother has raced it and got bronze. She wouldn't even consider racing Squirrel Cage at Wisp. Probably why they pulled Nastar off of it, and moved it to an easier run...
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