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    # of tries

    Why is there no limit to the number of runs a person can take to establish their handicap for a day. Seems to me that only your first run or two should count. Anything beyond that is practice,make as many of those as you like.

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    Because it is NASTAR and not FIS ski racing, is my guess. :)

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    Ok, but they used to stop counting after three. I might be wrong, or maybe that was unique to that ski area. My question should have been, if that rule was changed, why was it changed?

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    Seems to me it is because NASTAR is a way to interest beginning racers in learning to race. Seriously, how can a recreational racer improve racing twice a day? With experience I hope my first or second run will be my best of the day but it takes time to get there.

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    There is merit to the question. I mean, if only the first two "counted" towards your handicaps (National, State, and Resort) and the rest were practice, more people's handicaps would be more in line with reality. BUT, it opens a can of worms. There would be a lot of moaning a groaning about "what could have been" and such. Actually, I like the idea, but have to admit that it could be a logistical nightmare.

    Unfortunately, it might hit Nastar in the pocket, too. There might be enough people that wouln't pay for unlimited runs if ony the first two counted. So, while it would even the field a little, it may hit Nastar too hard. This is, after all, recreational racing. Many of us (this includes me) take it very seriously, and we tend to forget that part. It is also a business. Nastar needs to make as much as they can to keep going. As much as I like the idea, I like having Nastar around more. If HQ doesn't think it would effect their bottom dollar, I say go for it.
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    I never meant to suggest that you should stop after two runs(practice till they turn the lights off). I just don"t think that the handicap you get on your eighth try should count for rankings. If you can get a platinum on your fifth try, there's no reason for you not to be able to, get a platinum on your first or second try. Until you can do that you're stilll a gold,silver,bronze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walleye1a View Post
    I never meant to suggest that you should stop after two runs(practice till they turn the lights off). I just don"t think that the handicap you get on your eighth try should count for rankings. If you can get a platinum on your fifth try, there's no reason for you not to be able to, get a platinum on your first or second try. Until you can do that you're stilll a gold,silver,bronze.
    Here's the counter to that........suppose I make my first couple of runs, and get golds. Then I get faster, and in my 4th, 5th and 6th run, get platinums. But my gold run goes on my record. Then someone accuses me of ..........dare I say it..........sandbagging.

    Trust me, it would happen.

    Personally, I often times use my first run as a course inspection - since in many cases it is not feasable to inspect a NASTAR course like you can a FIS, MACC, USSA or Masters course, I often run my first run at half to 3/4 speed in a coat. So if they have two courses set up, and I did this once on each course, I've just made my two runs, and I'm all done, correct?

    I certainly would not drive an hour, 3 hours, or 4 or 5 hours, like I sometimes do (and like many of us others on this forum also do) to make only two runs that count. Not for NASTAR. It would not be worth the time, effort, and money.

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    I agree with Racer X. I too will "forerun" certain NASTAR hills to see the course. Most NASTAR venues don't allow inspection and yet I like to know the course set I'm running.

    Here's some more controversy for this discussion. Let EVERYONE run unlimited, if they so choose. EVERYONE = Pacesetter's and NASTAR racers.

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    Both good points. I'm not a pacesetter so I'm not sure how it works at pacesetter trials. Maybe AJ should warm-up and practice down the course until he gets his absolute fastest time, then each pacesetter gets 1 try and thats his/her handicap. This would make everyones fifth run handicap more accurate(and bruise lots of egos).

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    If everyone could run unlimited at last years NASTAR finals they'd still be racing.

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