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    Mr. Bear you've summed up the program sagely and succinctly.

    NASTAR Pacesetters have been getting a lot of attention in the forum lately. At different mountains we sometimes have differing responsibilities. Obviously our primary task is to determine the theoretical time Steve Nyman would have on a particular day. We want you to earn an accurate handicap that you can take anywhere.

    At many venues, especially the smaller ones, the duties might be a little more involved. I don't know if you folks would find this of interest but a while back I jotted down what transpired on a fairly typical day at my home mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBear View Post
    I do not agree that NAtional STAndard Racing is a "MY hill only" program. It's a National Program attempting to normalize a scoring system that can provide Nation-wide comparison, against a standard. (Certified Pacesetters)

    My 2 cents..........
    So why is HQ 'adjusting' times earnt under certain conditions to times earnt under different conditions? Why change the par time set by the pace setter to the par time in a different race? (less snow on course later in the day)

    And if the 'couple of fast guys' got too low a handicap and that required adjustment why was this same adjustment not made when folks in the east get handicaps less than AJ's.

    BTW you still have not shown us where in the rules it says no-one should beat AJ's handicap. It only mentions breaking par time - which in the Breck race was never broken

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    Quote Originally Posted by liltiger View Post
    .......... It only mentions breaking par time - which in the Breck race was never broken
    She does have a point, you know.
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    Poor horse...........

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    The decision was already made and this one is in the books, move on!! Get on your skis and race already.
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    The decision was made when the race results were published also... then 10 days later HQ changed their minds... no reason (within the rules)has been given for the change... it would be simple enough to change it back to how it stood for the 10 days the results stood according to the rules - just put back the par time as it was for race 1....

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    Quote Originally Posted by liltiger View Post
    The decision was made when the race results were published also... then 10 days later HQ changed their minds... no reason (within the rules)has been given for the change... it would be simple enough to change it back to how it stood for the 10 days the results stood according to the rules - just put back the par time as it was for race 1....
    I'll tell you what, liltiger.... how 'bout I send you a platinum medal in the mail? Would that make you happy? I can get my hands on one..... You can put it on your refrigerator, or whatever.... Send me your address and it's on the way. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jclose8 View Post
    I'll tell you what, liltiger.... how 'bout I send you a platinum medal in the mail? Would that make you happy? I can get my hands on one..... You can put it on your refrigerator, or whatever.... Send me your address and it's on the way. Seriously.
    As I've said before if I only wanted the medal I'd just race as a disabled skier.

    All I'm asking is for consistent application of NASTARs written rules.
    Bil Madsen says his job is to ensure integrity of the system - well without consistency there is no appearance of any integrity.

    If the issue with needing to 'adjust' the par time on the day in question is that AJ's handicap was beaten - fine. Change the rules and adjust EVERY race where AJ's handicap is beaten. Otherwise apply the rules as they are published.

    If the pacesetters need to learn to be more pro-active in re-pacesetting- again fine - but that is something for NASTAR to educate them about. This results in changes in the future not 'tweaking' results that you find you dislike for some reason, after the results are well and truly published.

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